Rimming with Rage

Charlotte and Susie go head to head once again with some pretty ugly world and spiritual topics. May their indignance amuse you as they battle through packets of salmon, useless hierarchy and new age irritants. The enraged pair show no mercy this month. Stay out their way or you'll end up in there!

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:20

Hello! Welcome, welcome! Welcome, in case you've never been here before. This is episode three of Room One One One. Um and we're enjoying this immensely. We hope the four listeners that have listened to this are also enjoying. Um, but yes, we we've come back with four new topics to purify um into the uh room that we have named Room 111. Uh do we need to explain the concept again, Susie?

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Well, it's a very I'll do a very quick one just for the just in case we have a fifth listener. I think there's more than four because I've had people tell me they're listening, so I think maybe we've somehow we must have more than four. Anyway, by the bye. I don't care if we've got none. We're just having a chat. We love it. Um, so it's based on the old theory of the program room 101 with Paul Merton that used to choose particular topics or irritants that you know needed to be dispelled of. Um, and we've switched it up slightly where we are purifying uh and allowing ourselves to be a little bit grumpy with the mundane. We are choosing a topic each that is non-spiritual and a topic each that is spiritual that we feel needs to go into room 111 and be purified for the greater good of humanity.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

We're doing important work here, as you can hear. Uh and yeah, it's uh it's it's hard work, you know, it's really hard finding things that make us grumpy, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 1:54

We are both so grumpy today. We thought about whether or not we should postpone and reschedule, and I was just like, nah, when we're really grumpy, it could actually be an explosive episode.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

I mean, I'm hoping that we haven't let out all of our air already because we've had such a rant.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

Um I've still got I'm still deep in my soul, I can feel I'm enraged! So we're all good.

SPEAKER_01 2:19

Yeah, there's definitely some some heat outside and inside going on. Um so hopefully we can reignite it as we um talk outrageously and enrageously about our topics. Yeah. Um, I think it might be your turn to go first. I can't remember. Oakie Dokes.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Shall I go with my non-spiritual? Yeah, do it. Okay. So this is actually an honour to my friend Lucy. I went away with some of my girlfriends to the Cotswolds. We had such a laugh. It was so fun. And I remember a conversation I had with Lucy years and years ago about something she said should be in room 101 and it and it resurfaced at the weekend. And that thing is the little corners on a packet that say open here, but they don't fucking open. My fucking God, like we're so aligned, we're so aligned. I can see that it's it's resonating with you, Charlotte.

SPEAKER_01 3:23

The amount of times I have had to get knives and stab them through the corner of these fucking packets, or just breaking my fingernails trying to get that seal off. Absolute lies.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Oh, it's lies, it's lies, lies, lies. And you know what? The amount of time I've ended up throwing a packet of salmon across the kitchen, because I'm just like, what is this? It just does not work. It does not work, you can't, and then it says you can peel it here and stick it back. Lies! You can't stick it back, you can't stick it back, you can't open it, it's all bullshit.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

They put those little sticky labels on them uh in the pretense that you're going to be able to fold it over and stick it back together. Let's take a packet of arboreo rice as an example. Oh, I like the I like the fella using a good rice. Well, you open it, a little bit of rice gets on the sticky bit, and that thing is never fucking sticky. Contaminated! So annoying. I mean, you know, I've got a supply of elastic bands and also those because I know it's lies, and I'm not, I'm not even gonna try anymore.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

But does this also um so we've got the salmon packets agree any food packaging that has that little you can see when you buy it, you can see the corner that is the the ick of what is gonna be the decider on whether or not you actually eat the thing that's in the packet.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

And even actually, you know, those fruit packets that you buy in supermarkets, and you sometimes can rip the corner, but then it just takes two thin strips off of the plastic, and so you have to get your hand in and then rip the rest of the plastic off of it.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

It's faulty from the word go. As soon as I see, and and it came to it came to light again when we were away at the weekend, and I said to Lucy, and she was she was having a moment with a packet, and I said, Oh my god, this is still playing out 20 years later, you know. They've still not improved the fact that you can't fucking get into the packet. Like, do we not have better technology now?

SPEAKER_01 5:26

Laser technology? I mean, it is it's like hasn't is it laziness? Is it like no one can be fucked to invent something else? Because surely it wouldn't be that difficult.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

I'm sure there's a way to do it, they just can't be bothered. I reckon it is laziness, and also I don't think enough people complain. I think we need placards. We need a petition. We oh, oh, now you're talking we need a petition, we need a placard, we need t-shirts. All of which the government will completely ignore. But I'd do it anyway, just for shits and giggles, because I think, you know, we need to celebrate the mundane, we need to celebrate the fact that there is women out there breaking fingernails, losing their shit over things that they shouldn't be losing their shit over, and yes, triggers of the guides. I know, I understand. That packet has taught me a lot about myself, but it still fucking winds me up.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

It's a bit like the um, I mean, I told you I stubbed my toe the other day, and then I went straight on Google and started going, what is the spiritual meaning of a stub?

SPEAKER_00 6:34

But tell people, tell people the most middle class, middle-aged reason why you stubbed your toe. Because when you left me that voice note, that was the gold. I couldn't stop chuckling. I was going into the garden to get some parsley.

SPEAKER_01 6:49

Not once, but twice. Well, you know, I went out, and the thing is, I stubbed it in exactly the same manner, twice, like no deviation whatsoever. And like all what happened is the parsley, I go out the doors, and the parsley's to the right, and there's a bench there. And so the first time I turned, I wasn't wearing shoes because it's hot. Um, went out, turned to the right, little toe smack on the edge of the of the garden chair or bench, sorry, swore to buggery, was just like, fuck you, what the fuck? Why? And so I was which is my general reaction to inanimate objects, and I uh obviously needed to let off some steam. So I was like, okay, clearly you need to let off some steam. But the second time, because I because I went because my partner was out, and I so I was like, I'm gonna now go and get her some parsley for when she gets home.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

I mean, the parsley has a lot to answer for. I'd look up the meaning of parsley. Fuck that parsley, my god.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

Fuck you, herb. And I did actually the second time, I was like, Are you trying to stop me? Are you trying to stop me picking you? Because this feels like a conspiracy now. Susie's about to spit her water all over the laptop. Herb attack. And um, and yeah, you like smacked it exactly like bent the little toe back again. And the second time I was like, Are you fucking kidding? I was like, why?

SPEAKER_04 8:24

What did we do?

SPEAKER_00 8:27

The neighbours were in the garden, it was really embarrassing. Oh, but I mean, you know, the joy that voice note brought me, I think, supersedes the pain in your toe.

SPEAKER_01 8:37

Oh my god, it was so painful. Although it was gone in the morning. But um, I then found out that the little toe on the left is the trust toe, apparently. I don't fucking trust Parsley and I don't trust that bench. Well, there's I don't even trust my feet to be fair.

SPEAKER_00 8:58

I mean, that in itself is joy. Um but we've got it back to the packet. What do we reckon then? I mean, I think you're on board with this one. I can you know, call me perceptive, but I think you're on board with this one.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

I mean, I do like to squeeze you on your topics and try and make it difficult for them. But I think you're gonna struggle. I can't disagree. I hate them. Like it's it's a it's a universal um irritant yes, point of loathing. Like no one can disagree. So I think it's gonna it has to go in. Like I would be I would be remiss not to put it in.

SPEAKER_00 9:34

You would be foolish not to put in the sticky packet that is not sticky, right? It's going in. Yes! So then, my dear, I hand the mantle over to you for you to engage upon your non-spiritual, mundane ick.

SPEAKER_01 10:00

Okay, so this has gone a little bit in the direction of you last week because I started with one thing and it spiraled into, you know, a much bigger thing that is like an umbrella of all the things I'm irritated about. Um, I'd really like to put the government.

SPEAKER_04 10:14

Oh yes!

SPEAKER_00 10:18

I mean, I like the contrast of our choices. Mine's a little sticky bit of plastic.

unknown 10:25

It's the government.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Equally irritable. Yeah. The government, if I was gonna give the government a metaphor, it would be that little peely bit of plastic. It doesn't do what it says it's gonna do. It doesn't work, full stop. Completely. I mean, they are, you know, one and the same, quite frankly. Yeah. Um, but at least you can stab one of them.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Yeah, well, this a good point well made. Because, my golly, if we could stab the government, everything would be good. Everything would be good in the world.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

Yeah, it would be a bit horrific as well.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

But like fine, so many people will be on board with that. I think if we'd done a collective stabbing of the government, we would be inundated with volunteers. Do we raise a petition that the government will ignore?

SPEAKER_01 11:13

Let's get a placard and let's get t-shirts. Stab the government. Um yeah, I mean, okay, so before we came online, I was having a big old rant because Southern Water, who I hate, um, have cut off the water supply where I live. Um, and they're saying it's because, you know, the water is depleted and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

Which I find to the point of I mean, unbelievable, first and foremost. But I mean, they've got one fucking job. That is their job. How can they all of a sudden go, uh, we've run out? I mean, at what point are they going, oh, that's getting a bit low? Might need to do something about that.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

What were they doing? We're not like we haven't asked them to supply potatoes or, you know, bread or or I don't know, tyres for cars. We're just like, there's there's one thing that we need you to keep an eye on. Yeah. You know, it's it's quite a universal thing on the planet.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

All of the billions and billions of money that they make.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

Yeah. So this is how it spiraled to the government was I was having an argument with Southern Water in my head, which is the sort of thing I do regularly. And during this debate, Southern Water were coming back, or the representatives of Southern Water were coming back and going, well, the government won't give us enough funding, or blah de blah de blah. And I was like, Well, naturally, it does start to go up and up and up and up.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

Yeah. But also, it's like they're trying to make you feel sorry for them. Mummy won't give me any pocket money. Fuck off. We pay bills. You've got money coming in. Give me what I'm paying for.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Well, this is it. And then I was like, I probably do need to go higher and just sack off the entire government. Stab 'em. What the fuck are they even doing? And what have they ever been doing, other than just passing a hot potato around between various parties, pretending that they can solve problems? No one's got any fucking answers. Everyone just keeps peddling the same shit in different language and advertising it like it's a new solution to all of our world problems. And we're like, hang on a minute, haven't we been going through this for hundreds of years? And it's only been getting worse. It has never been getting better. Come on, Charlotte, get on that soapbox. Or this fucker's saying, oh, well, it's that fucker's fault. Let's get rid of all the foreign people in the country and put them in detention centres, i.e., prisons, i.e. concentration camps, and just wipe out the problem. Yes. Oh my god. Like those stupid. Yes. Can this world be that it thinks that the solution is to restrict everything and to harm people? I know. And to yeah, cut off humanity. I mean, it's just ludicrous. And the government are just doing it over and over and over and over and over again. And they will, they'll come back and say, Well, there's not enough funding for you to drink water. Why are we paying for water, you assholes?

SPEAKER_00 14:03

And also, it's like it's an it's a natural resource. There's fucking loads of water. It didn't stop raining for six weeks from January to the end of February. It was like a monsoon. Oh my god. And now all of a sudden, oh yeah, it's run out. I mean, really? Isn't it? But also on the flip side of this, there is, as we know, this has to get so fucking bad that even those people that still think the government are doing the right thing or believe in the government, trust the government, it has to get to this point where those of us that have been on this trajectory for the last however many years are becoming exasperated because we can see it so clearly. It's like the last little trickle of people that are going, oh, maybe they are a bit shit. Like, you reckon? Welcome to the party. You know, it's like it has to collapse like a flan in a cupboard for everyone to go, oh, actually, they are not doing what they say they're gonna do. Because I I mean, there's still people out there that fucking believe in the government.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

Well, this is what I mean is someone new pops up, they're like, right, right, let's do that. Because you know, Kirmer was gonna save everything and then oh, look, he hasn't.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

He's like slow clap for those that thought, well, yeah, let's vote in Labour because it's gonna be better than conservatives. I mean, what kind of statement is that for crying out loud? But I do believe, unfortunately, obviously, we are excuse the pun, the butt of uh their unintentional joke, but also at the same time, there is an element of me that knows this has to play out and get so bad that the whole thing has to crumble. I mean, for the first time in history, in politics, there is more than a two-party race. And it doesn't mean that any of the other parties are any good. I'm not saying that at all. But that is phenomenal. Like that shifts so much because what's gonna start to happen is it's gonna filter in. Maybe there's more coming, maybe eventually that no one party is gonna win. It can't. And and and that's I think that's the the space we need to get to. And I know that you know that that calls in absolute carnage and there's no one running the country and all that, but I think we'd do a better job if we didn't have them.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

I absolutely wholeheartedly agree. Like, just you know, move people into small communities again and let them sort themselves out. I mean, you know, someone was saying that about the water today, about you know, take it away from a petition, which the government will ignore, and a placard and a t-shirt about you know taking the water supply back from privatised count companies and the government's like cunts, you mean privatised cunts, privatized cunts, yeah. Uh that will take forever, blah, blah, blah. It doesn't, it doesn't matter, you know. It's and actually things do not need to take forever. They don't, they don't get out the fucking way. Yeah, but um, but yeah, so I mean, there's too many topics for me to keep talking. We'll be here for days and days and days, but I just hate the government, you know, and I I want them to die.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

Sorry, purify, purify, purify, purify, purify, with a but we can get a little bit stabby, yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's the government, and government make people a little bit stabby, yeah, yeah. I'm I'm putting them in. Oh yeah, I didn't think you would because you Oh, I'm putting them in. I fucking hate the government. Have you not seen my posts?

SPEAKER_01 17:42

We're gonna be plastered on Facebook tomorrow, like or or after this is released. Two women arrested for inciting stabbiness, stabbiness and yeah, treason against the government.

SPEAKER_00 17:55

Oh, I'd love to be done for treason. Yeah, I'm sure I have been done for treason in a previous life. I'm just reliving that that moment. Well, I'm definitely putting him in, and and I your rant there was epic in proportion to almost the rant you had before we came online. Um, and I'm enjoying it immensely. Yeah, I'm glad I'm pleased that that that my rage is is entertaining. It is, and you know, as as the feminine rises, we have to express our rage. We and I think this is a great conduit for that. Let's express our rage, get a bit stabby, and then go home and have some cake. Yes, delish. Woo! It's going in.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

Marvellous.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

Okay, we move on. We move on. Now I did have one and I've forgotten what it was because I was so enraged earlier. So I was enraged because my car didn't pass its MOT, and my car is only seven years old, and it's an absolute joke. So, you know, um, I'm just at that point. So I was pretty irate before I came online. But also I said to Charlotte there was something that I was actually quite enjoying about getting irate. I was actually really enjoying getting angry about something that is valid, and I think this is the other thing I've recognised is that permission, the older I get, the permission to be just oh yeah, I want to be fucking angry today, and that's okay. And don't stop me being angry if I want to be angry because I won't. I will be angry, and but also in a I'm not being angry at inanimate objects, or at people in general. I'm just angry because you know the car had not done what it should have done, and and I'm enjoying the rage.

SPEAKER_01 19:55

Sometimes it feels good, like it feels really good, it's it makes you feel alive, especially when you get to articulate your rage, yeah, funny with it as well, which we are obviously, Natch.

SPEAKER_00 20:09

Um, so um because I was so irate, I forgot my original thing, but there was another thing that came up for me during the week when I was talking to somebody about it. So I'm gonna go with my spiritual thing is what has started to put me off about attending spiritual festivals is how fucked up everyone gets in the evening. Ah yes. I've really and and listen, I've there is part of me, and I don't know if my sh if it's my shadow or that I feel a bit hypocritical, is that I used to spend my youth getting absolutely annihilated. I was off my face pretty much six of six days out of seven, to be quite honest, from the age of 17 to I don't know, 26. I was just fucked the whole time. So I do feel like there's a bit of a a bit of a hypocritical stance on this, but my ick and my annoyance and my um upset, I think, is that people are bypassing stuff and just you know, I've done a lot of healing and it never stops and there will always be more work to do, and you know, I'm I'm I'm fully aware of that, but I don't use that escapism anymore. Don't drink. I might have the odd cocktail, quite like a um espresso martini, if anyone wants to know, that I would enjoy an espresso martini if I'm going out for dinner, lovely, but I don't drink to excess. I don't use mind-altering substances now for escapism. And don't get me wrong, I have been known to indulge in some mushroom chocolate, and I am very partial to kind of enjoying that side of things if I'm at a spiritual festival or in that kind of environment, but not to the point that I see people. Getting and the only way I can put it is they just look fucked up. They're taking acid or they're going too far, they're not in control, they're stumbling all over the place. And I think you know that to me is a very dark, shadowy energy that is coming up. It comes in the evening at the night, of course, because it's you know, that's what when the sun goes down, the shadow comes in. And it's actually put me off going to these festivals, and that makes me a little bit sad as well. As I wouldn't say it necessarily necessarily makes me angry. I think I'm just disappointed. I'm disappointed that we're letting this happen in our spaces, especially where there's children. Like children go to these events, and you know, there's people wandering around with no tops on, bedraggled, scary, big eyes. And as a community, we shouldn't be we shouldn't be allowing that to happen. We should have some way of containing that to maybe specific festivals. Or, you know, we were talking about a particular festival we were at once where we suggested they have people like angels, we called them angels, that are just walking around at night. And if they see someone like that, they go in and they they either take them back to their tent or they go and make sure that they're all right, but they stop it intruding in the areas where you know children are, and it's it just shouldn't be happening to that degree.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

It's very hard not to be with you on this topic because it's been something that I've been really disturbed by for quite a long time. And I remember when I first went to Bali and I saw people who go to ceremonies and work with plant medicines, and it does tend to be a crowd, to be fair. That does attract the more hedonistic, like you know, substance-using crowd.

SPEAKER_02 23:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

Um, and you know, shamanic practices tend to attract more addictive types of personality for sure.

SPEAKER_02 24:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:04

Um, and people were doing you know, ayahuasca ceremonies and then going out and taking coke and pills, and I was like, this is how are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 24:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's just so it's also disrespectful to the medicine, it's disrespectful to your body and your, you know, what that medicine represents is you know, healing, and then you're going out and doing class A, it it it just doesn't, it just doesn't fit in my mind. I don't understand it.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

No, it's I'm I'm I'm very with you on this, and actually, um, I have seen this. The I saw this more disturbingly at a festival a couple of years ago that I won't name, but it rhymes with Wedison.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

And um funny enough, that's the one I was thinking about when I was just talking a minute ago, the one that rhymes with Wedison.

SPEAKER_01 25:01

Yeah, and it's um, you know, they have such good stuff on there. They've got super music, they've got great like work shows. The daytime's are amazing, the daytime's are incredible, and they've got the fire and they've got the indigenous, you know. Yeah, must be looking around going, these people are fucked up, my god. And then, you know, yeah, the lights go out and suddenly the monsters are out. And and and I think um what really disturbs me about it is so I work at I do gong baths at Shambhala every year, which is you know, it's it's a kind of lefty festival, it's very eco, um, but it's openly hedonistic in a way that I actually respect more because even though I don't love, I see I go to bed quite early because I'm just not that interested in that side of things, but um, you know, it's got tents that you can go to if you just want to chill out, and then it's it's not hiding itself.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

It's like, yeah, people are getting it's got parameters where you know that this is most likely gonna happen, whereas the one that we're pertaining to has such a kind of uh I don't know, I don't know how to put it, but it's got such a vibe to it that it isn't that, yeah, that when it does happen, it's just like what that you know it it it it's like it comes in left field, it's deceptive.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

It is deceptive. That's what makes it so disturbing, is like this exactly that. It's it's putting a mask on with this, and actually it's that. Yeah, exactly that. That's exactly it. If you would just take off the mask and go, do you know what fuck it? We're just that, you know, that's what we're gonna do. I actually would feel more comfortable, but it's the it's the surreal nature and the really edgy, disturbing, like it's like being in a ceremony on psychedelics when that dark, creepy, yeah, you know, sort of sluggish gnarly, gnarly energy comes in that's just so opposite to what it's supposed to represent.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

And I remember having a conversation with somebody about that particular festival who knew the person that ran it, and I was very honest and just said, I don't, I don't go anymore because of what happens in the evening. It's just a load of people that used to be into raving are now pertaining to be spiritual, and they're just getting off their fucking nut. And I don't like it, it doesn't feel respectful to all the indigenous that come. I love what they're creating, I love the fact that you know they've got these incredible speakers, these incredible um indigenous wisdom keepers that come over and serve this land, but then you just wipe that all out. This troll energy of just getting completely off your tits. Yeah, it's it's no different to people getting blind drunk. You wouldn't do that at a festival. So, what makes people think that it's okay to get off their head on cat at a festival that is supposed to be spiritual? So I've I've pulled away completely. I don't I just don't do any of them anymore, and I'm happy with that.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

And what's disturbing is people will use those recreational drugs and call them wedison, yeah. That is not wedison, no, just you know, that is just you getting off your tits.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

Um it's addiction, yeah. That is what it is, it's addiction. You might not take, you might not go to clubs and take loads of pills, but to go wandering around a wedison festival, taking those sort of drugs that you took when you used to go out raving means you've not done the fucking work. You've not done the fucking work, and it's an act and it's a performance. And I think we we've had this discussion many a times, the pantomime. And and interestingly, I was talking to my mentor, so I've got an incredible mentor, the the wonderful, very wise, very knowledgeable Alan Dolan who supports me in my work. And I was having a conversation with him on my last session saying, I feel like I've really extracted myself from that whole scene, from the the shamanic scene, from the from the you know, from the festivals, from I don't want to be called a healer, I don't want to be called, I mean, medicine woman, yes, with my medicine, I work with the breath, but you know, I just I'm almost don't want to be called spiritual. As you know, last my last episode, I wanted to put everything spiritual in there, but we can't do that. Um, so I was saying to him, I I feel like I've swung so far the other way. And what I've also noticed sometimes now, and this is my shadow, and this is stuff for me to look at, and I need to sit with what that's bringing up for me, but I sometimes get a little bit irritated now by people that are being overly ritualistic with dads, that everything has to be a ritual and everything has to be named, labelled, and spoken about correctly in spiritual terms, and you can't say that because it's disrespectful. And I'm finding that people are getting slightly obsessive, and I'm not, I'm not, I'm just not in that vibe anymore. And it's just showing me all of this stuff. And people might say, Oh, well, if you're seeing it, it's a reflection of who you are. Yeah, I've I've got a shadow. I don't, you know, show shadow. I love my shadow. I like working with my shadow. I'm actually, you know, I enjoy shadow work, but I think I think a lot of people will agree it's not just me seeing this, it's a collective.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

Yeah, and it's also the competitiveness of the spiritual slash new age environment where it's like, you know, I can name all the gods and I can do this and I can do that. And also all of the finger pointing about who's trained, who's not trained, who's culturally appropriating, who's not culturally appropriating. We've completely forgotten to register how it feels to be around a person, who is coming from the heart. And actually, the people that are doing the best work are not very noisy, they're not plastering themselves all over the world trying to convince us that they know what they're doing. Yeah, they're actually just here and ready for when people are ready to connect and work. And you know, we're not for everyone, so uh, but yeah, I'm I'm I have to put it in because I have I mean, you know, this was the whole premise of that I'm so spiritual song. Like 10 years ago was this I don't take drugs, I take medicine. It's like, no, you fucking don't, you take drug. You take drugs, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:15

And it's the and it again, it goes back to you know the intention. So there's no we run our own medicine weekend, we do one a year, um, we do it with integrity and we do it with a lot of sacred intention behind it. And we only do one a year, and it works for us because also what we've noticed is people don't feel safe in some spaces. So rather than than say, Oh, that's a shame, let's make a space that's safe so people can do it. So I think you know, actually sitting with medicine with your intention of going in, using it as medicine, is very different, you know. It's the at the end of the night just popping whatever you want to pop, like you know, five grams of mushrooms and just wandering around a festival off your fucking tits. And you know, that that again is it's it's disrespectful because mushrooms is an inward experience, and people are putting themselves and others in danger. That well, we won't go into it, but you know what I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

I mean, I personally can't think of anything worse than taking five grams of mushrooms and trying to walk anywhere.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

Oh, so good. We I'm so happy. I knew you'd be on board with this one, and it was funny because it just came up because people are asking me, Oh, you go into this, are you going to that? And I was just like, nah. Oh, but I thought you would, because it's kind of you know, it's it's no, I don't, I don't need to be in these spaces. I feel like I've outgrown. I don't need to be seen in these spaces. The work that I do speaks for itself. The most of the work that I do is under the radar, but hits the right people because I mean I'm plugged into the earth grid. Things find me that need to find me. I don't need to go out there all bells and whistles singing and dancing. I don't need to be seen in these places because it doesn't mean anything to me.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

No. Yeah, I'm with you. It's got to go in.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

Yes!

SPEAKER_04 33:02

Woo-hoo!

SPEAKER_01 33:13

That room's getting full. Everyone's crammed in there. I mean, we've got the whole fucking government in there, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 33:19

Well, that would be an interesting mix, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_01 33:21

The government and all the people that get fucked up at festivals in the same room. Amazing. Chaos. But you know, maybe some enlightenment could come from it. And I'd watch that if it was a programme. Oh my god, I'd be glued. Okay, well, actually, um my spiritual topic is maybe less um potent than yours, but it did come from the same place, or my my initial observation of this. Um, it's a little bit more shallow. Um and it's spiritual hats.

SPEAKER_00 34:00

We're balancing each other out because my non-spiritual was quite shallow, but yours was big and heavy, and now we've swapped. So, you know, we're all about balance. See, this is why we work together. Spiritual hats, absolutely hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

Um, I I know a few people that wear spiritual hats, and we have a good friend who wears spiritual hats, and in fairness, rocks spiritual hats. Um, and so you know, I have to take my hat off to those of me who look really fucking good in spiritual hats, and maybe there's a bit of envy for me because I don't feel that I really rock a spiritual hat. You can't rock a spiritual hat. Um, but five years ago, I went to Weddison and I saw a sea of spiritual hats underneath which everyone looked identical. And I was like, is this some new cult that I have not been informed of? Like, in order to be in a spiritual environment, I have to be wearing some sort of head garment that connects me to Sirius or you know, um the Pladies or something like that, because everyone appears to be wearing these hats. And I it's a uniform, it's a spiritual uniform. Well, that that was that was my thing because I I then started to feel like this looks very culty because everyone's dressed the same, and it was the hat that really nailed the uniform for me. Because obviously, you know, everyone's wearing their kind of shamanic uh what do you call them? Ponchos. I was gonna say overcoat, that's not what I meant. Um, but you know, the ponchos, and you know, everyone's got that slightly rough but stylish look, especially at that particular festival. Beads, cowboy boots, yeah, cowboy boots, you know, long feathered earrings, and then and then the sculpture hats, most of which had a feather of some sort. Of course, of course, and then you know, over the years these hats have just got bigger.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

There's a there's a meme. There's a meme with a guy that does this where his hat gets bigger. You sent it to me. Absolutely, let's put it on the let's find it and put it on the lightworkers' cafe.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

Brent Peller, it is. That's it. Yeah, and it's just this hat that gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. And actually, it's hazardous because that you know, you're in crowded environments with other people that might want to go and watch, you know, the tribe sing, Wackamaya, whatever it is, and you've got to kind of navigate yourself around the rim of people's fucking hat. And unless it's Rainy.

SPEAKER_00 36:29

Hang on, can we just stop? Can we just stop? You have to navigate yourself around the rim of someone's hat. Now that, my friend, that is my favorite quote of the episode.

SPEAKER_01 36:46

You know the title's gonna have rim in it.

SPEAKER_02 36:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:52

I'm just so base, and I'm not gonna apologise for it, nor should you. Um, but yeah, you know, obviously, if it's a really sunny day and someone like me who doesn't have a hat, it could be quite convenient to be in a sea of hats because I could, you know, shelter myself somewhat. I still feel left out, and I still feel like I don't want to join the crowd and I don't want to be one of the hat sheep, but I also am feeling slightly, you know, inferior because I don't have a hat. Yes. And then and also the hat makes the hat looks expensive most of the time, you know.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

And they're probably not because you know, when you're spiritual, you know, you should have things that are eco and recycled and ethical.

SPEAKER_01 37:36

Well, this is the thing though, the hat wasn't expensive to make, but you probably bought it for 250 pounds. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

Fleeced, fleeced, yeah. I saw you coming. Oh, look, there's a spiritual person. Let's say they're a spiritual hat for stupid amounts of money. And they probably charge them £222. It's an angel number, it's meant to be mine. Absolutely, yeah. And the thing is with the spiritual hat, is even if I wanted to entertain the idea of a spiritual hat, because of my hair, I cannot get away with any kind of hat implement because it just makes me look like I'm made Marion when I take it off, because the whole of my top of my head just goes flat, and then all of my hair at the side just comes out. I look like a some sort of weird clown. I cannot, even if I wanted to, and I think Spirit intended me not to by giving me this hair. I couldn't engage in the hat crowd if I wanted to. No.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

I think the other thing about the hat is like it does make you stand out, you know. Like not if everyone's wearing them. No, that's true. But but it okay, maybe that's not the phrase I mean, but it sort of gives a sense of authority. Oh it gives a sense of status, if you like. Right. And it's like the difference from not wearing the hat to suddenly putting on the hat. Oh, yes, I have been to Peru and Guatemala and done my cacao training in Ecuador, and you know, I have sat with the Shipibo and the Yawanawa, and you know, blah blah blah blah blah blah. Um, and it's like the hat seems to speak all of these things, even though you may have done none of those things and probably that's why they wear it.

SPEAKER_00 39:18

Yeah. That's got that. I think that's that's the premise behind the hat is it's the performance yet again.

SPEAKER_01 39:25

And I've just had a download. Oh, go on, share it. Straight in through my crown chakra. Um it's because you're not wearing a hat, it could get the I'm not wearing a fucking hat because I can I can actually connect. You can download. But that was the download, is that the interesting thing is is that the hat covers the corona, and the corona being is where our information comes directly in. See, so the hat is stupid because yes garment because it's blocking the corona, the area of your head that is downloaded that needs to receive, and then you put a fucking hat on it and stick a little feather out the sides, and yeah, nothing happens. Yeah, well, they probably think that the feather is some sort of aerial, but you know it's not not happening. It's not if it's made on Etsy, I'm sorry. And also, um, I'm not I'm not dissing like headgear in terms of like indigenous the hat.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

No, not that not the headgear, because I think you're right, the indigenous tribes don't wear the hats we're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 40:30

No, they wear the they wear, you know, specifically made feathered headgear, which has meaning, purpose, and energy to it.

SPEAKER_00 40:38

Sacredness behind it, it's not just a fashion item that you're the Western world, we like to think that we're all sacred and we're hip and trendy, but it it it's just performance.

SPEAKER_01 40:49

It is performance, and funnily enough, you know, um it was uh a friend of our it was our friend's partner who is from Peru that recently said that when he comes to the West, he's bowled over by the sickness in our mind. And that is where all of us wow and I know who you mean now, just yeah, just yeah, got gutcha, gotcha. It's interesting that you know we would we would turn to you know putting on this headgear as a mask, it's a head mask.

SPEAKER_00 41:19

It is, and also there's a metaphorical, you know. I think if you if we want to get philosophical on this, is that perception of switching hats, like you know, we're switching hats, it's like how many people do that at the weekend and then they go back to work in the insurance company, you know what? So they're they're in a completely different, you know, like how many hats can you wear? Yeah. Rather than be authentic and just own it.

SPEAKER_01 41:45

Yeah. When I was an actor and we used to do improv, which is where you just get up and you have to make shit up on the spot. The best thing to do was to have a prop, like a hat or glasses, or something that changed your face so that you could get into a different character. So yeah, that makes complete sense. That like you put on we would sometimes have boxes of hats that you go because your whole physicality would change, your whole like one hat would make you a peasant, the other hat would make you a queen.

SPEAKER_00 42:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:15

Um, so yeah, it's it is there's a metaphorical thing there.

SPEAKER_00 42:18

It's like, you know, I'm gonna put my spiritual hat on now and be really spiritual, and then I'm gonna take it off in the evening and just become a complete retrograde. Yeah, because they probably don't wear the hat in the evening because they get so fucked up they'd lose it.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

Yeah. Or they do lose it. We we wake up to in the morning to just hats, you know, abandoned everywhere. Um, which is sort of bodies, yeah, hats. Just a sea of fucking hats. Okay, next up then is I reckon glasses. There's gonna be some sort of new age glasses.

SPEAKER_00 42:51

Well, are we we can't I uh that that kind of came in a little while ago, like the little round 70s, 60s glasses, they kind of come and go every now and again, don't they? I'm I'm expecting a wave. Yeah, okay. You've you we are prophets.

SPEAKER_01 43:05

Yeah. So we've said it now. Yeah, the wave's gonna happen. The wave of the eye veils is coming.

SPEAKER_00 43:13

And instead of instead of uh uh yeah, but maybe we there'll be some sort of glasses that are fashioned out of feathers. I mean, who fucking knows?

SPEAKER_01 43:21

It's coming. Oh, I mean, everyone will look like um Dame What's a face. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:27

Feather eyewear. It we've got to go there. Let's see what happens. Let's plant that seed, see what happens. Yeah, I'm putting it in. I think it's a full house.

SPEAKER_01 43:42

So everyone, the government, all of us for bypasses, and what was the first one? Uh they're all fat, they're all fighting trying to open a packet. They're all fucked with hats on trying to get into a salmon packet. Stabbing the government. Yeah. I mean, there we go. Lovely. There's a program. Let's let's pump that. Channel 4. Amazing, amazing. We've got a room full of to be purified things that I think first we could get some entertainment value.

SPEAKER_00 44:08

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It's a knockout on steroids. Amazing. Well, I mean, I think considering, I mean, I think we've done really we've been extremely ranty today because that's just the energy. And what what nailed it for me earlier on when Charlotte left me a voice note was because we do exchange what's happening in the in the ether and the planets, she said to me, Oh, there's something in the air, I just know it, but I just I can't even be bothered to look. And that's when I know shit is bad. When when she just says, No, I can't be bothered. I don't even want to know. I'm like, oh, oh, we've hit a plateau.

SPEAKER_01 44:47

But I don't even want to. I it's like you know, when your bank account's really low. Don't look. You just want to know, it's like that, but in the sky.

SPEAKER_00 44:56

Well, I think that's been a successful, ranty episode. We might have been a little bit judgy, but who gives a shit? We're judgy all the time, you know. Yeah, yeah. It's part of what we do. Yeah. Um, and we decided that was one of the reasons we wanted to do. I've just doused myself in agriculture. It's giving yourself a good agua.

SPEAKER_01 45:14

Yeah, just just cleansing Miora. I would have a I would have a you know, a salt shower or bath, but I fucking can't because they're the government!

SPEAKER_00 45:25

Uh but particularly ranty, angry, rageful, and the feminine is in her enjoyment of that rage and that rant. And um, we hope you enjoyed it because we we feel great now. I feel like I've expelled so much energy, I might need to go and have a lie down. I'm as light as a feather. And I'll take that feather and I'll put it in my non-existent hat. That's all, folks. Thank you so much for joining us.